tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9128506581675705657.post2307744577210987909..comments2023-09-11T06:03:29.893-07:00Comments on Time 4 Dogs: Rethinking Spay and NeuterLiberty Bellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01177305529757660312noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9128506581675705657.post-60484454308399029532014-10-25T16:40:53.366-07:002014-10-25T16:40:53.366-07:00You won't believe it, but I have the same prob...You won't believe it, but I have the same problem with my castrated male cat and my intact... bitch!!!!! The cat has become aggressive after neutering. So they live in different parts of the house with doors closed. However, whenever my beagle bitch is on heat, the cat does everything he can to open the doors, and break in the rooms where the bitch is, this is totally crazy!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9128506581675705657.post-44544634436971203852013-08-27T19:42:15.607-07:002013-08-27T19:42:15.607-07:00This is really well written i am very very impress...This is really well written i am very very impressed. I question taking my dog to a <a href="http://www.vet4you.ca/en/spay_and_neuter.html" rel="nofollow">spay neuter clinic in Toronto</a>?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16520760229526084621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9128506581675705657.post-77839901302098444602013-04-03T11:52:38.035-07:002013-04-03T11:52:38.035-07:00We live by a field and I often see pets just being...We live by a field and I often see pets just being dumped there. It really breaks my heart. I'm taking my dog to the <a href="http://osullivananimalhospital.com/" rel="nofollow">veterinary in Barrie</a> this week to get spayed! I don't want to see any more animals go without family. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13851034654853645920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9128506581675705657.post-29573311404607683602012-12-09T07:56:15.587-08:002012-12-09T07:56:15.587-08:00Actually, the number of animals euthanized in shel...Actually, the number of animals euthanized in shelters last year (2011) was 2.6 million. Most of these were feral cats (unadoptable) or the aged, injured or ill. We are already almost at no-kill levels nationwide, according to the people at Maddie's Fund who track such information.<br /><br />http://www.maddiesfund.org/No_Kill_Progress.html<br /><br />To shed some perspective on the foul language included in this comment, a similar nasty note was sent to me by email from a Scott Strader in Pennsylvania. Seems that Scott has also been arrested as part of a cocaine ring in Philadelphia. <br /><br /> http://www.southphillyreview.com/news/police-report/South-Philly-drug-ring.html<br /><br />"Strader was charged with seven counts of possession with the intent to deliver cocaine, criminal conspiracy, dealing in the proceeds of unlawful activity and criminal use of a communication facility, and two counts of corrupt organizations."<br /><br />Consider the source. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9128506581675705657.post-32889239533797341172012-11-06T23:04:41.980-08:002012-11-06T23:04:41.980-08:00It is very possible to have a un-altered dog as a ...It is very possible to have a un-altered dog as a pet,I`ve have a NOT "fixed" male Rottweiler for over 4 years,he's about five now. He's never breed,is very healthy and active,and is definitely not more miserable then the past two dogs that where neutered. If I feel like I need to neuter a dog again I`ll wait at-least two years for them to develop properly.<br />Cat overpopulation seems to be more of a problem,I`ve seen plenty of strays,and for that their is also much more cat rescues and shelters where I live. Long ago when I actually looked to adopt a dog in a shelter,I couldn't find one. Their was only one shelter close enough,and half the dogs where not even for adoption which was like out of 12. No purebreds or puppies. I got a dog from the classifieds instead,who is a Newfoundland mix and is now about 12 years old. <br />I got two cats from rescues though.Demiandogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14783001289308199804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9128506581675705657.post-71467099085537426142012-09-06T04:58:50.739-07:002012-09-06T04:58:50.739-07:003.6 million animals destroyed is this cunt's i...3.6 million animals destroyed is this cunt's idea of a.no kill rate?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9128506581675705657.post-8680733282706980172012-05-18T17:10:49.637-07:002012-05-18T17:10:49.637-07:00I'm a cat person, but this issue is equally ap...I'm a cat person, but this issue is equally applicable to cats and dogs. Some may not think the following is important, but I just want to mention an experience I had.<br /><br /><br />Some years ago I had two neutered male cats, and a young, as yet un-neutered female. One day the female came of age and went into heat. Both males instantly went for her - but of course could not perform. You have never seen three more frustrated creatures! I myself became distraught at the sight of it. I couldn't understand why the males were even interested, and called my vet. "Well, they still have hormones," she said. <br /><br /><br />I know when people talk about the "health benefits" of spaying/neutering (many of which benefits you point out are false), they are not thinking of this particular issue, but I don't think we should just ignore it. These animals are sexual beings. It does NOT make them "happy" to be deprived of expressing it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9128506581675705657.post-45916660354204575722012-03-14T08:59:49.450-07:002012-03-14T08:59:49.450-07:00I'm very glad I saw this article. I was ready...I'm very glad I saw this article. I was ready to buy into the 'spay for health' reasons for our new Cavalier puppy. She's almost 6 months and I was already dreading having to have her spayed but thought that she would be healthier for it. <br />I'm not looking forward to the messy heat cycle (we have an intact beagle who is 9 - so I know all about that! -- she had a littermate that died when being spayed so I was too afraid to spay her!) but I am happy to hear that her health will not be compromised as much as people try to say.Robinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9128506581675705657.post-33641960588285907382012-02-28T09:21:40.087-08:002012-02-28T09:21:40.087-08:00So refreshing to read an article supported by the ...So refreshing to read an article supported by the facts!<br /><br />We too have shared it with our readers. <br /><br />Thanks,<br />~Pamela~All God's Creatures Pet Serviceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15527931276155157872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9128506581675705657.post-6128856991190489932012-01-14T21:19:59.626-08:002012-01-14T21:19:59.626-08:00If one were to spay or castrate a human being at a...If one were to spay or castrate a human being at an age just before they become fertile, this would be around ages 10 or 11. Anyone with half a brain will abhor this practice if only for the fact that obviously, that person will neither reach their full potential physically (size, strength, endurance etc.) nor socially. Furthermore, that person will develop medical problems later in life. <br /><br />It goes without saying, to me, that the same thing is true for animals. I have had pets (cats, a dog, birds, ferrets, mice) for 30 years now and I refuse to give in to pressure to spay/neuter, especially at an early age. I keep them safe so they don't become pregnant, as long as I don't want them to. I've noticed that cats and dogs become different after they have raised a litter, more loving towards human children as well. I feel a female animal, in principle, should be given the chance to experience having a litter at least once, after she has reached her full size and maturity around age 2 so as not to overtax her body, for reasons of having a fuller life, maybe ridiculous but since I don't cause any strays I see no problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9128506581675705657.post-59418097026486337922011-09-27T20:02:34.099-07:002011-09-27T20:02:34.099-07:00Also, Rachel, the feral cats can be quite easily n...Also, Rachel, the feral cats can be quite easily neutered and released. No need to kill them. Please pass some progressive sheltering ideas on to your superiors. Maybe the nearby no-kill shelters can give you some pointers. And no, a closed admission shelter is NOT keeping in the spirit of the no-kill philosophy. Unless they are private and your KILL shelter is public, taxpayer supported? Still, your shelter has not excuse to kill. It kills by choice; because it's are too lazy and defeatist in attitude to be an effective animal advocate.<br />And your "shelter"....isn't a "shelter", it's a killing place. No wonder people don't go there first when thinking of adding a new pet to the family.Liberty Bellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01177305529757660312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9128506581675705657.post-6050519885501610942011-09-13T21:00:41.062-07:002011-09-13T21:00:41.062-07:00Hi Rachel, you certainly cannot dispute the number...Hi Rachel, you certainly cannot dispute the numbers based on anecdotal experience in one area. Did you know that shelters in the New England states import dogs from the midwest and from Puerto Rico? If your shelter directors were looking at the big picture, they could be relocating the dogs they are now killing. THAT would be living in the "real" world while solving problems at the same time. A much more productive system!Liberty Bellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01177305529757660312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9128506581675705657.post-60054733974194887042011-08-01T16:50:38.188-07:002011-08-01T16:50:38.188-07:00@ anonymous - My intact dog lives with intact bitc...@ anonymous - My intact dog lives with intact bitches, is separated from them when they are in heat, and appears to be holding up very well, on the whole. If he's not happy, he's doing a very good job of hiding his misery. <br /><br />Are you saying that it is better to cripple their whole hormonal system for life, 24/7, than for them to suffer a little stress for a couple of weeks a year - which is really all that we're talking about? <br /><br />That is not only an unacceptable trade off to my mind, but an actively *irresponsible* one. If you don't want to breed, the easiest way to go is to have male dogs. And keep them home, please - there are leash and confinement laws almost everywhere, and no excuse for *any* dog, intact or not to be loose and roaming.<br /><br />Bitches are easy to manage if you don't keep a dog, so if you are determined to keep a bitch, just don't take any dogs in. Don't walk them around the neighbourhood when they are in heat - it won't hurt them to do their thing in their yard for a week or 10 days. <br /><br />It's not only better for the dogs to be intact, it's also easier on the owner's wallet, and even if you do have both genders, it's not rocket science to separate them for the short period necessary a couple of times a year. <br /><br />Discrete breeds were developed and maintained for thousands of years before surgical sterilization was possible. Are we not as smart and capable as our ancestors?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9128506581675705657.post-24007060673570055892011-05-11T16:49:54.425-07:002011-05-11T16:49:54.425-07:00I really wish that the people who compile these &q...I really wish that the people who compile these "statistics" would come and talk to someone like me. I worked at an under-funded shelter that took in anything that walked in the door. We serviced at least 3 counties in rural PA. There was a no-kill shelter a few counties south of us that had a 2 month waiting list to take in any animals. There was not a single day that I worked there that we did NOT euthanize an animal. I wish we could have seen a day like that. We routinely had 20 or more surrenders in a day, and usually adoptions in the single digits. The dog wardens brought in several stray dogs a week, and the stray/feral cat population in the area is very high. So for an article like this to say that pet overpopulation is a myth and that we need to stop promoting spay/neuter, to me, living in the "real" world, is an outrageous claim.Rachelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9128506581675705657.post-87035016826906920922011-05-11T07:57:21.352-07:002011-05-11T07:57:21.352-07:00The sad truth is that responsible owners are respo...The sad truth is that responsible owners are responsible and the irresponsible ones will let their dog roam aimlessly and knock up another irresponsible owner's dog and the next thing you know there's a little of pups that no one knows what to do with. Also, the idiots of the dog-fighting world aren't going to get their dogs spayed or neutered cuz that's against the grain of what they do. Only thing I believe is that if I'm not going to breed my dog (which I wouldn't because I'm for rescue pups!) he's going to be sterilized. Animals are instinctual and how torturous would it be for a male dog to have the "desire" and not be able to act on it. Just my thought. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9128506581675705657.post-13923183397407689442011-03-27T21:56:40.724-07:002011-03-27T21:56:40.724-07:00Allyonapally, this is not "A" study, but...Allyonapally, this is not "A" study, but VOLUMES of studies that prove that animals who keep all their original parts are healthier than those who don't. End of story.<br />And solution to what? There is no "pet overpopulation"...that's bunk.<br />And enough with the "backyard breeder" rhetoric...gee, I HOPE puppies are raised in a nice back yard. Sounds idyllic! <br />Animals will ALWAYS be in shelters because sometimes circumstances will bring them there...getting lost, death or disability of an owner, owner losing a job or even their home, etc. And Guess what, lots of the pets entering shelters are already de-sexed. <br />And it is the JOB of the shelter to proactively look to find homes for their charges. The fact that they CHOOSE to instead kill them reveals the true status of the mindset prevalent in shelter management (or should that be mismanagement?)Liberty Bellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01177305529757660312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9128506581675705657.post-63734394395104744432011-03-26T18:05:43.194-07:002011-03-26T18:05:43.194-07:00I would be interested to see if there is a compara...I would be interested to see if there is a comparable study in Australia. HOWEVER.. as a long term foster carer, vet nurse, animal rescue worker, and avid campaigner, it is a long way from a solution. I dont care how many dogs and cats live in how many homes... that's all well and good for them.. but as long as there are backyard breeders pumping out animals of heaven knows what temperament or health status, and as long as there are animals in shelters with no future, I will continue my campaign for desexing of animals. End of story.Allyonapallynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9128506581675705657.post-73460108312536506372011-01-29T20:34:23.811-08:002011-01-29T20:34:23.811-08:00Thank you. I will do just that. Very much apprecia...Thank you. I will do just that. Very much appreciated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9128506581675705657.post-54453067911269528682011-01-01T20:21:22.554-08:002011-01-01T20:21:22.554-08:00Yes, this article may be reprinted in an unedited...Yes, this article may be reprinted in an unedited form, and please do include a link back to this page. Thank you for asking!Liberty Bellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01177305529757660312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9128506581675705657.post-11961179135376651192011-01-01T18:22:41.454-08:002011-01-01T18:22:41.454-08:00I would like to post this on my website with full ...I would like to post this on my website with full credit to the author and a link back. I'd like to include Chuck Bridge's comments, too. How do I go about obtaining permission?Pure Spirit - Proud Pets. Proud Pet Owners.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10245998757751989134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9128506581675705657.post-10223820751168325092010-12-27T14:20:41.637-08:002010-12-27T14:20:41.637-08:00My thinking is that maintaining a good breeding po...My thinking is that maintaining a good breeding population is far more important than the number that die in shelters. I'm sorry that somehow the circumstances surrounding the ending of a life have become more important to some people than the beginning and the time that the animal has a life. A single good afternoon for a happy puppy is endless ecstasy and experience.<br /><br />The use of shelter killings as a pivotal issue is like taking hostages and killing them. It's often exactly that thing, way too often. <br /><br />Our human rights are also more important than the number of dogs or other animals that are killed by so-called humane societies.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00024665871872480537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9128506581675705657.post-13903157827689477652010-12-26T12:06:20.282-08:002010-12-26T12:06:20.282-08:00The total population of owned pets is huge in comp...The total population of owned pets is huge in comparison to the numbers in shelters. With 17 million new homes opening up yearly (above and beyond the 4 million pets who are adopted from shelters or rescues) there is absolutely no excuse to kill any adoptable dogs in this nation.<br />People will have pets and they need to come from somewhere. <br />I would personally even question the law in our state requiring sterilization of pets upon release from shelters and rescue. I don't believe that such laws are prudent. Particularly when sterilization is done on very young animals. We the people have the right to make our own intelliegent choices! Education does work, as noted by Chuck. <br />Breeding is not a crime! We need breeders to keep pets in our future!Liberty Bellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01177305529757660312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9128506581675705657.post-961620278301701572010-12-26T11:37:06.068-08:002010-12-26T11:37:06.068-08:00Thanks for your work, Geneva!
The figures used by...Thanks for your work, Geneva!<br /><br />The figures used by Avanzino (Note 2), while highlighting a remarkable improvement in shelter killing, inadvertently mask the astounding composition of this improvement. The 85% reduction in shelter killing of dogs and cats -- 24 million vs. 3.6 million -- is composed of an 89.6% decrease in the rate of shelter deaths, offset by 43.5% increase in the population. The math is as follows :<br /> <br />(1 - 0.896) * (1 + 0.435) -1 = 0.851 or 85% (there's some rounding in Avanzino's numbers)<br /> <br />A couple of comments . . . (1) This presentation assumes a direct relationship between the number of shelter deaths and population. After all, the "rate" really measures the population's propensity to kill shelter animals. In a sense, the population has become more humane over the last thirty years. (2) The reduction of the rate of shelter deaths is astounding – it’s HUGE. One might guess that the humane education of the population has worked, and worked well. While we all decry even one unnecessary shelter death, one has to question why the prescription for continued improvement is not simply more of the same, instead of the enactment of increasingly coercive laws as pushed by organizations like the HSUS and ASPCA. (3) A missing piece of information is the number of dogs and cats in the U. S. 3.6 million out of a dog and cat population of 360 million is a a lot less troubling than 3.6 million out of a population of 36 million. (The NPPMA statistics, as reported on the HSUS Web site, indicate that there are 171.1 million owned dogs and cats in the U. S. (77.5 million dogs and 93.6 million cats), but this statistic ignores those animals without owners. Just how large is the total dog and cat population in the U. S.?)<br /> <br />Just some thoughts . . . .<br /><br />Chuck Bridges<br />Vice President<br />USSPCO, a California SPCA<br />Toll Free (866) 972-8373 or (866) 9-SAVEPETSChuck Bridgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13053043807821347740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9128506581675705657.post-8854516891862086922010-12-26T10:53:30.084-08:002010-12-26T10:53:30.084-08:00can this be reprinted?? hope socan this be reprinted?? hope sobestuvallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16010527907760825413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9128506581675705657.post-60155119535141396052010-12-26T10:45:01.662-08:002010-12-26T10:45:01.662-08:00This is a wonderful article. It needs to be seen ...This is a wonderful article. It needs to be seen and read by as many as possible. May I please share in with my blog readers? Of course the credit will be yours.Margot Woodshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03183491858427197526noreply@blogger.com